16 comments on “Are Future Sins Forgiven?

  1. Praise the Lord for you, Carol!You know, I was mulling over this subject after someone left me a comment on my blog in response to my post “Thoughts on Repentance”.I knew that we need to continually ask for forgiveness if we sin even though we are saved, but haven’t done enough Bible study on that to say for certain.Yet here you are answering my questions _exactly_! How amazing is that?!Without reference to the Bible yet, my reasoning was that if we were also forgiven of our future sins, then where is the fear of God? Fall-away Christians would argue that they can sin all they want since it’s all been forgiven. Besides, they would argue that God already knows the future so whatever sin they committed is in the plan or whatever.I’m going to link my reply to that comment to this post of yours. The Lord has worked an amazing thing today! God bless!!!

  2. Carol,I totally agree:….I’ve heard it argued that if we do anything in our walks, then it’s a “work”. Satan has made the word ‘works’ become a dirty word in Christiandom. He would have you believe that there is nothing required of us, that we can coast on into eternity without obedience, without being sanctified and so on. Satan has used God’s Word to distort God’s Word. Being obedient is not a work, it is a requirement for a child of God…..Ecc 12: 13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.It is our duty to obey God, and we shall be evaluated according to our works. Peace to All

  3. Wow! I didn’t see that thread of yours again after I posted so I had no idea this subject came up. But the OSAS subject came up on Shirley’s blog, Just the Word PLEASE (can’t do a link in the comments section for some reason)and I mentioned it there. This was yesterday – I said I should put this up on my blog but I didn’t give it another thought because I had many other things to do. I was going to do it at another time, so I forgot about it.Then, during my devotions I prayed for you. Mainly a prayer of thanks and blessings for you and your family because of the work He’s done in you (based on your Abundant Life post). (I prayed for others here too btw)So then I moved on, I continued my prayers and reading. After awhile I took a small break (get a coffee) and while drinking, I got this STRONG urge to post something about future sins. It was so strong, I wanted to stop what I was doing to put it up – I actually had to pray that He would quiet me and give me the desire to finish what I was doing before I rushed off to post this. So I looked ahead at how far I had to go to finish that chapter because I REALLY wanted to put this up. After I finished, I came directly here to put it up. I had no idea that someone would actually benefit from it. I was expecting strong opposition, that’s why I put the tomato comment in there. (although I still might get it, I just think people haven’t seen it ) So looking at everything now, I think it was for you! The Lord is so wonderful and amazing, I’m just in awe of what He’s been doing lately in me, you, and others. All glory goes to Him!!!!!

  4. Carol,Good post, although (as you probably have guessed 🙂 ) I respectfully don’t agree with all you said. I actually had a longer (!) post for this… but, I am not going to argue anything here. I think I learned a lesson about comment-arguing on Kingskid’s blog… it isn’t a good or fruitful idea.I would just like to say that your conclusions about the “results” of people who believe that all-sin-is- forgiven are not quite right. You also did not present “this side” accurately. For example, we would not disagree with any of the verses you raised “against” our position nor would we EVER suggest that a Christian can go on sinning and not sweat it.Christians who believe that all our sin (past present future) has been forgiven at the time of salvation recognize:1. if we love Him, we must obey. God expects purity and holiness in His children. The Bible clearly does not give us carte-blanche to sin. When we sin, we must confess our sin to him in order to have His blessing, His leading, His answers to prayer. (ref all your verses on this!)2. God will discipline(even unto death) those he loves. God knows that following Him is what is best for us. Because He loves us, he will discipline our sin. (Hebrews 12:5-13)3. There will be a judgment for believers to determine reward or loss of reward at the Bema Seat of Christ. (1 Corinthians 5:10) (Christians are never said to go to a judgment that will determine hell or heaven. That was taken care of at the cross.)4. God is eternal and timeless. That is, He transcends time. When He saves someone, he is well aware of what that person will do in the future. In one sense, there is no real difference between “past present future” sin in the experience of God.We see a difference between punishment and discipline. Punishment is punitive. The punishment for our sin was cared for at the cross. This is what Christ bore for us (Romans 5).Discipline, on the other hand, is corrective. God will deal with a Christian who is disobedient, sometimes harshly, to bring him back to himself. So, although there ARE many people who undoubtedly use their “security” as a license to sin, that is certainly not in agreement with we hold to or a necessary conclusion to our position. Indeed, we believe that if a person lives in chronic sin and disobedience, and God doesn’t deal with him, it is be a sign that he was never truly saved to begin with (as it says in Hebrews 12).As you know, I entered into a conversation with Kings Kid on a similar subject (indeed, I sense that the crux of this post is a response to that discussion 🙂 ). It is not my intention to be argumentative or try sway you. However in your arguments against Eternal Security, you are arguing against a position by setting up an incorrect image of it (as Kings Kid did).Have you ever examined why there are many solid Bible-believing Christians who hold to this? (From someone who doesn’t have an ax to grind against it?)In Christian love,your continuing reader, 🙂steve

  5. Hello FriendinME, I’ve been expecting you. hahahahhaSpeaking about the reasons ‘why’ someone might believe in eternal security was not the crux of my argument, as evidenced by the many Scriptures I referenced. If that were so, then my post would have only been a paragraph long. 🙂And as far as the ‘incorrect image’ that I ‘set up’ about the result of following such a teaching, it is absolutely true if you follow it to it’s natural conclusion whether you’re aware of it or not.If you believe your future sins were forgiven, then you cannot believe in its ability to defile. That is the natural result of that belief. (among others) Hence, this would mean that you would always remain pure no matter what you did and not be defiled. I’m not saying you believe it’s a license to sin, in fact I don’t know of many Christians who who believe that and follow it. But by thinking your future sins were already forgiven, then by default you can sin continually, there’s no need to confess or repent, or forgive others etc.. You’re not saying this, in fact you claim you don’t believe it, but you must understand that if you believe your future sins were forgiven, then these things are the natural result of that belief. You cannot simultaneously believe that your future sins are forgiven (cannot be defiled), yet believe that you can be defiled, because they oppose each other. (I’m hope I’m explaining this well. It makes perfect sense in my head but getting it on screen sometimes doesn’t translate well.)By stating they weren’t Christians in the first place is to reject that all of those warning verses were for Christians. But you can see that the verses referenced were for believers, those in the faith, not false converts. Yes it’s true that there are false converts out there and there’s even a verse to support that, but these many verses of warning are for those who are in Him. The Bible does not make the distinction between false and true converts but if you take note of the audience, then you will see it is for true believers. You cannot take all of those verses (plus many others) and dismiss them and say they don’t apply to you and assume it’s for the false converts because the verses themselves do not make that claim. By doing this, you are reading those verses with a preconceived notion that you have in fact ‘set up’ and I’m just trying to get people to dispel those notions because it is not written. I hope you receive this in the spirit in which it was intended. God bless.

  6. Steve…..There will be a judgment for believers to determine reward or loss of reward at the Bema Seat of Christ. (1 Corinthians 5:10) (Christians are never said to go to a judgment that will determine hell or heaven. That was taken care of at the cross.)Matthew 25 31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 “All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 “And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 “Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:….….41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:Jesus said this when He knew that He was going to the cross for us.…… God is eternal and timeless. That is, He transcends time. When He saves someone, he is well aware of what that person will do in the future. In one sense, there is no real difference between “past present future” sin in the experience of God.You are correct that is why He told Ezekiel 33:12 “Therefore you, O son of man, say to the children of your people: ‘The righteousness of the righteous man shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression; as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall because of it in the day that he turns from his wickedness; nor shall the righteous be able to live because of his righteousness in the day that he sins.’ 13 “When I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, but he trusts in his own righteousness and commits iniquity, none of his righteous works shall be remembered; but because of the iniquity that he has committed, he shall die.What is God’s definition of SIN? The biblical definition?…..We see a difference between punishment and discipline. Punishment is punitive. The punishment for our sin was cared for at the cross. This is what Christ bore for us (Romans 5).If what you are saying is true why did Jesus say Luke 13:24 “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able….However in your arguments against Eternal Security, you are arguing against a position by setting up an incorrect image of it (as Kings Kid did).Since we used scripture to support the posts—What is an “incorrect image” the Word of God?….Have you ever examined why there are many solid Bible-believing Christians who hold to this?What should be examined is—Why Did Jesus Say This?Matthew 7: 13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 “Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.Peace to All

  7. FriendinME,You said: “God is eternal and timeless. That is, He transcends time. When He saves someone, he is well aware of what that person will do in the future. In one sense, there is no real difference between “past present future” sin in the experience of God.”Yes, God is eternal and timeless, but we are not yet eternal and we live under His governing laws of time. You cannot make that connection – of God’s attributes with our sinfulness as they are not related. If God forgives future sins, then why are there many opposing verses? God cannot go against Himself.The fact is, you have been given numerous Scriptures proving that automatic future forgiveness is in error. You have yet to name one verse to substantiate your claim. You would also have to explain away each and every verse that I gave you, and many others in the Bible to support your claim. The fact is you cannot because the Word of God stands alone.

  8. I drove 56 miles an hour in a 55 mile an hour zone toay but I have not asked God to forgive me. Am I going to hell?

  9. Michael,It’s obvious that you are hostile towards this message. But your beef is not with me but with God. I did not write these verses. How can you deny what the Bible is saying?Now as far as you going 1 mile over the speed limit – I’ll tell you that I don’t have all the answers – and just because I don’t does not negate the Biblical message – my lack of knowledge means nothing. The Word of God stands.Now the only thing that I could figure is that going over the speed limit is not a sin that would defile you. It doesn’t change lives, or take you away from Christ like idolatry, sexual sins, drunkenness, theft, lying, and murder would. You can still have clean living going over the speed limit but you cannot if you do these other things. I’m not saying it’s alright to go over the speed limit either because these are man’s laws and God put people in authority to make those laws. The only way we are to disobey man’s laws is if it goes against God’s laws. But God didn’t command speed limits for us to follow, and so we obey man’s laws.If you don’t want to accept what the Bible CLEARLY says, that’s your perogative. But instead of asking questions designed to trap me, why don’t you ask the Lord to forgive your rebellious spirit, and to give you understanding of all the things written about sin, defilement, and losing your place in the kingdom. God bless.

  10. I know that sounds sarcastic but according to Romans 13 we are to obey all earthly authorities. So if I were driving over the speed limit and was suddenly killed in an accident before I had a chance to confess that sin and ask for forgiveness I am still just as saved as I was before I broke the speed limit.I also know that this seems like a minor sin but according to James 4:17 if we break any of the law we have broken all the law. I believe that sin is sin in God’s eyes regardless of how big or small the world sees it. Paul says this like 6 times in the book of Romans. Does this mean that we can just go ahead and keep sinning? Heaven forbid!In Romans 6:16 it says that we become a slave to whomever we obey. Sin nto death or the Spirit unto life. What I get from this is that yes, if we sin there will be consequences, but sin in and of itself is not going to send us to hell.John 16, verses 8-10 say this:And when he comes, he will convict the world of its “sin”, and of God’s righteousness, and of the coming judgment. 9 The world’s sin is that it refuses to believe in me. 10 Righteousness is available because I go to the Father, and you will see me no more. According to this scripture the world’s “sin”, singular, is that it refuses to believe in Jesus. But we are made right because he goes to the Father.We all sin each and every day. Sometimes each moment of everyday. It would be impossible for us to constantly be confessing our sin and constantly asking for forgiveness.When my children were around the ages of 5, 7, and 9, one of them swiped a $20 bill off my dresser while I was in the shower. When I got out and noticed it missing I sat them down on the couch and said this. “Kids, would you believe that someone would steal money from me?, Isn’t that a shame?”I never accused them or forced them to confess. Now a couple of hours later my daughter came up to me and said “daddy, I have something to tell you”. She gave in. Her conscious got the best of her. But you know what? During that time between when I first noticed the money missing and when she finally admitted to taking it, I still loved her. She was still my child. I had not disowned her even though I knew it was her. Now I was glad that she did finally admit it and she was punished for doing so, but because I was her father, I never once stoped seing her as mine.Do you think it is any different with our Father in heaven. He loves us more than I love my children.Are our future sins forgiven. In opinion, yes! I don’t need to get born-again, again!Thank you Jesus for that one-time sacrifice. I am not about to nail him up there one more time!

  11. Sorry Carol. My comment was not intended to be hostile. I was using it as a means to explain my next comment. I just didn’t realize it was going to take me half the day to get it posted.Trust me. I am not hostile or rebellious. I just have a different understanding of my salvation apparently.But trust me. I have not discared what you have written here. I read it several times over the past few days. I wanted to give it some time to sink in.Like you, I certainly do not have all the answers. I have respect for you as a sister in Christ. with Love,Michael

  12. I never said anything about speeding being a small sin so you didn’t have to go into that long description in defense because it wasn’t necessary. So that verse in John, where it speaks of the sin being refusal to believe in Jesus…does that cancel out the many other verses about sin and defilement? You sure make it seem that way. I can’t stand when people use their earthly relationship as examples of God’s love in order to escape punishment. The fact is, God will ALWAYS love you, but He’ll STILL SEND YOU TO HELL IF YOU REBEL, SIN AND DEFILE YOURSELF. (not trying to yell, don’t know how to bold in the comment section) Do you think God enjoys sending ANYONE to hell? Do you think He gets His kicks that way??? Of course not! The fact is, if WE sin, then WE have judged ourselves in a sense because WE have made that decision to go against our Mighty God. The CONSEQUENCE to that is eternity in hell – period! Sin is NOT compatible with God, it must be removed from His sight but Jesus covers us IF we confess, IF we forgive others, IF we repent.By stating that our future sin are not forgiven DOES NOT MEAN YOU NEED TO BE BORN AGAIN-AGAIN. (you sound like Jan Crouch) You cannot crucify Him afresh because He was the ultimate sacrifice. I think you need to understand exactly what was done at the cross. Yes he forgave us our past and present sins but as for the future sins, He provided A WAY for us to be reconciled with the Father which includes, confession of sin, forgiveness of others in order to be forgiven by Him, and repentance. All of these are conditional. He has broken those chains that bound us which is sin, we have a way out – we are free whereas an unregenerated peron is not free, is still in bondage. He provided a way to be washed of those sins,(future) and not be a slave to sin and temptation. If you want to put this in earthly terms….how could someone pay a penalty for something they have not done? Is there justice in that? No. Jesus cannot wash away sins you have yet to commit because in order to do that, you must first be declared ‘guilty’. You are not guilty of anything until you do it. After you do it, acknowledge your guilt, confess and repent, THEN you are washed. You cannot be washed or judged (whichever) BEFORE you’ve done the act. Even though Jesus knows beforehand what you will do, he cannot judge or acquit you before you do them because there is no justice in that and we know God is just.BTW, we ARE to be constantly confessing our sin as soon as we’re aware of it. We’re also to be in prayer ALWAYS. Do I have to get into what that means or do you understand? (not trying to sound snooty – just very put off by everything.)So at the very end of your comment you said: “Are our future sins forgiven. In opinion, yes! “The Bible is against you on this. Instead of accepting what the Bible clearly says about sin and defilement, you have tried to defend your faulty position. (very poorly) I am through with this conversation because I cannot reason with a person who has an unteachable heart and who is angered against the Word of God.

  13. Thanks for all your information Carol.FOr the record I am not angered against anything, especially the Word of God. Jesus took that too.Romans 10:9 If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Jesus is Lord. I believe that with all my heart!John 3:16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. Believe!

  14. One last thing Carol then I too come to rest.I am not trying in anyway to condone sin in any way, shape or form. Do I go before God and ask for forgiveness? Of course I do. And do I do my best to resist sin with everything that’s in me? Of course I do. I do believe that we can lose our salvation if we continue to live in sin deliberately and do not repent. We can also lose our salvation by renouncing Jesus and turning our back on God.Hebrews 6:4-6 is pretty clear on this:4 For it is impossible to bring back to repentance those who were once enlightened—those who have experienced the good things of heaven and shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the power of the age to come—6 and who then turn away from God. It is impossible to bring such people back to repentance; by rejecting the Son of God, they themselves are nailing him to the cross once again and holding him up to public shame.But the truth is we all fall at times. We may not all fall into sins of the flesh but we do fall. And after a fall time may lapse before one comes to a place of repentance. I just can’t see God as someone who would sentance someone in that state to hell. We were born sinners and we will all be sinners until that final day of redemtption.

  15. Michael,Would the police pull you over for going one mile an hour over the speed limit? No. You have the grace to exceed the limit by four or five miles per hour.Sin is the transgression (breaking of) the Law. What is the Law? Deuteronomy 8:3 “So He humbled you, allowed you to hunger, and fed you with manna which you did not know nor did your fathers know, that He might make you know that man shall not live by bread alone; but man lives by every word that proceeds from the mouth of the LORD.Matthew 4:4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’You said, “I believe that sin is sin in God’s eyes regardless of how big or small the world sees it”. If you believe this, then why do you break the fourth commandment?I believe (because of your blog title) that you have read Jeremiah 2: 5 Thus says the LORD: “What injustice have your fathers found in Me,That they have gone far from Me, Have followed idols, And have become idolaters? 8 The priests did not say, ‘Where is the LORD? And those who handle the law did not know Me; The rulers also transgressed against Me; The prophets prophesied by Baal, And walked after things that do not profit.11 Has a nation changed its gods, Which are not gods? But My people have changed their Glory For what does not profit. 12 Be astonished, O heavens, at this, And be horribly afraid; Be very desolate,” says the LORD. 13 “For My people have committed two evils:They have forsaken Me, the fountain of living waters, And hewn themselves cisterns–broken cisterns that can hold no water. Broken cisterns=useless shepherds.The God of Israel, Jehovah/Jesus/ loved the children of Israel as stated in Hosea 4: 6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being priest for Me; Because you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.Yet, He said because you have rejected Me, I will reject you.Let me direct you to Ezekiel 33: 12 “Therefore you, O son of man, say to the children of your people: ‘The righteousness of the righteous man shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression; as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall because of it in the day that he turns from his wickedness; nor shall the righteous be able to live because of his righteousness in the day that he sins.’ 13 “When I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, but he trusts in his own righteousness and commits iniquity, none of his righteous works shall be remembered; but because of the iniquity that he has committed, he shall die. 14 “Again, when I say to the wicked, ‘You shall surely die,’ if he turns from his sin and does what is lawful and right, 15 “if the wicked restores the pledge, gives back what he has stolen, and walks in the statutes of life without committing iniquity, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 16 “None of his sins which he has committed shall be remembered against him; he has done what is lawful and right; he shall surely live.This is what “thus says the Lord”. So, Michael, your opinion does not amount to a hill of beans.The enemy, the prince of the power of the air (includes thoughts), the spirit at work in the children of disobedience, has from the beginning, with Eve, till this very day, portrays God as a liar. In actuality, he is the father of lies and a thief. Do not let him steal your salvation from you by your believing his lies.….What I get from this is that yes, if we sin there will be consequences, but sin in and of itself is not going to send us to hell. Not to hell, to an eternity in the Lake of Fire.Michael, what most people fail to realize is that Jesus is the very same God that gave the children of Israel His laws, statutes, and ordinances. He gave the laws to Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel, also. How did I arrive at this conclusion? When God spoke to Cain, He told him that sin was crouching at the door (Genesis 4:7) waiting to overtake him. Since sin is the transgression of the law, it is obvious that God’s laws were in effect long before Jacob or the children of Israel came into being.The laws are not just for Israel, but for ALL MANKIND.Peace and blessingIn Jesus’ Name

  16. Dear all,Sorry for my silence the past few days; I’ve been buried under a gigantic pile of work.This debate is most interesting. Thank you, everyone, for stating your points because I sure am learning something here.I haven’t done a lot of reading up on this topic and so won’t comment, but all your points are giving me food for thought. This Shabbat should be a good time to meditate on it.God bless you all.

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